Dear St. Two, >> I have done a certain amount of work on my mirrors, created a certain order/pattern among the different traits, and can see different dynamics at work. My model is quite idiotic, sorry, idiosyncratic. But I have not come around to the elemental classification, partly because I don't see it's value. What would you folks say is the value of the elemental assignments? In what ways can it make me a better jester? << In terms of just the work of character transformation, the Elemental assignments are irrelevant. However, they are an integral part of an initiation into Hermetics. Relating the character traits to the Elements is the first step in the pivotal process of understanding the Elements. This is the step in which you begin to internalize them and give them personal relevance. This is what opens the student to the possibility of one day manipulating them at an external level. Every single exercise in IIH is there for a very good reason relevant to an initiation into Hermetics. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 20 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis