Hi Chris No true initiate will force a student to do anything, they're there to guide and advise, any form of coercion falls far short of spiritual practice in my view. Sounds more like a karmic issue of dealing with confrontation rather than seeking a solution through Bardon, and all karmic issues are terrible complex and very personal. The motto I tend to live by is: "reconciliation, not retaliation" If this doesn't work then I remove myself from that environment, there are exceptions, but bear in mind that any retaliation will only create negative karma for yourself. Is this what you want? I can only offer an opinion, and nothing in terms of wisdom, but don't be drawn into actions that you wouldn't have entertained on your own. R -----Original Message----- From: Chris [mailto:pieperchris@...] Sent: 26 May 2004 15:49 To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BardonPraxis] hermetics and confrontation I've been a student of bardon... kind of on and off for about a year and a half now.... and it tends to dwell on personal growth and the like.... but I've been studying magic in general, mostly heart- chakra type activities under a teacher..... recently we've had a..... falling out of sorts, because I didn't bend to his will the way he wanted me to...... and anyway... I have a strong feeling that some bad things will soon fall upon him or rather his plans will fall apart, and he is going to blame me directly for it and a confrontation will be inevitable...... since our falling out I decided convert to strictly hermetic studies because it has interested me since I first learned of bardon...... and I was wondering what the hermetic view is on confrontations and what should be done about them and during them when they come up....... it's a long story what caused this chain of events and I don't wish to bore you with the details, but I'm just wanting to know what I (as a student of hermetics) should do, supposing this confrontation occurs as I believe it will... any advice and/or suggestions would be welcomed...... I intend to work ferverously through IIH (starting again from scratch) in order to strengthen my position in the situation, but if there's any other tips someone can give me on how to deal with it I would greatly appreciate it... I believe I will have about 2 or 3 months to prepare, so if there's any outside IIH sources that anyone knows about that I should study/meditate on that would be beneficial to me as well...... thanks Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=1292jc3v0/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705077360:HM/EXP=1085671996/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=242409000> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]