Dear Jennifer, >> and thanks for the posting of the Science of Breath. I have begun to use it. Since I have experience in the past with yaga it is a good refresher. I had abandoned it when Bardon said it was not necessary though, so I was curious about this conflict with his teachings, however, upon reading the material. after reading it I have come to terms with the 'Psychic breathing' aspect as being very similar to the Bardonian kind of breathing. What say you? << Yes, Bardon's pore breathing of the VE is almost exactly the same as Ramacharaka's psychic breathing. There are just a couple of conceptual differences. To my mind, the thing of greatest significance for the Bardon work in Ramacharaka's book is the "yogic complete breath". Once the technique itself has been integrated, one can perform the complete breath within the parameters of the normal, unregulated breathing rhythm. In other words, without lengthening the breath, one can still do a complete breath. It's the alteration (i.e., lengthening of the inhale) of the breathing rhythm that isn't compatible with the Bardonian pore breathing, accumulation of VE, Elements, etc. Mastering the complete breath also makes for an excellent exercise in the Step Two, physical exercise of bodily discipline or control. Plus, maintaining the complete breath makes mastering Bardon's asana easier. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 29 Dec 2002 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis