Dear Martin, >> Thanks a lot, Rawn. I have not read that far ahead in IIh, as I wanted to stay focused on the current step and not confuse myself. The reason I asked is that I was doing some reading online and the terms came up. << Seeing as that your online reading IS confusing you, I think it would be wiser if you read the whole of IIH instead. The answers to these questions about Elementals and Elementaries are contained within IIH. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 04 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis