Dear Friends, Since I forwarded the first part of this discussion with Conn to BardonPraxis, I figured it wise to pass the continuation on as well. :) ------------------------------------------------- Dear Conn, >> In my post I gave you three examples, of which I divided each into astra-physical, physical and (perhaps incorrect) essential meaning. Forget the essential meaning for a second. When somebody with no magical training describes, say, an apple, isn't it true that they are in part blending their astral perception into their inherent physical sensoria? In other words, some sensations that are well-known in mainstream science, are actually expressions of the astral emanation of the object in question. Specifically, the emotional context people subconsciously (or consciously) relate to whatever item they perceive. am I doing ok so far? :) Therefore astra-physical and physical sensations can be easy to mix up, wouldn't that be fair to say? On to "pure astral" emenations. If you look back to my examples, could tell me if I indentified some correct examples in any of the three cases? I tried to attribute some emotional association with these objects, of which not every apple, rock, or person will be the same, of course! Am I correctly isolating the astral emenation, or do I need to refine my parameters to define something as "purely" astral? << There is a difference between the emotional significance that a thing itself possesses and the emotional significance we give to it as part of the subjectifying aspect of our own perception. A thing's own astral emanation (i.e., the significance *it* carries) and our own attribution of significance are easily confused since both are astral. In order to *directly* perceive the astral emanation of the thing itself, we must set aside our own subjectifying process, otherwise all we perceive *directly* is _our_ emotional response to the thing's physical-astra-mental emanation. And while these two are *connected*, they are not exactly the same. An example of this is the difference in how we feel about a person vs. how they feel about themselves. So, when you are trying to perceive a thing's own astral emanation, you must carefully discern between your own interpretation and the astral emanation of the thing itself. [Yet another reason why astral wandering is placed so late in the course of IIH!] >> Back to essential meaning. I'll try to give a generic example, and give some background to help convey what I'm trying to say.. Lets pretend I already have the ability to perform mental wandering. Perhaps I decide to venture into space (and I mean that black stuff you see out your window at night, with the tiny round sparkling thing speckled all over ;). Lets say I perceive what the physical senses would see as an asteroid. When my mental eyes fall upon the asteroid, I immediately feel overwhelmed with a seemingly endless mass of information, which at first seems very confusing. But when you begin to isolate some of this raw data, you suddenly (or slowly) see the entire course of the asteroid, it's physical origin, it's seemingly endless path through space, and perhaps you see glimpses of how this asteroid will impact the destiny of the cosmos in many years to come (for example, it crashes into a barren planet, and the tiny organisms which were a part of the asteroid impacted and dissemenated into that atmosphere, creating a new infusion of life). Of course, this is an imaginary case, but let's say this really happened, you were in my shoes and perceived the same essential meaning, and decoded it into these same smaller, more fragmented perceptions. Am I getting cold or warm Rawn!?! :) << You're so warm here, Conn, that I better start accumulating the Water Element to cool down! ;-) Even so, I think the following excerpt from Lesson Three of the Archaeous will help you clarify even further: ============================ "So, getting back to the main subject of this lesson of the Archaeous -- our temporal mental body. This is our conscious awareness. "Our conscious awareness is composed of the four Elements, just like our astral and physical bodies. The four Elemental regions of the physical body, correspond to the physical functions and sensations of those areas of our physical body. The leg region supports us, our abdominal region is where the rhythmic and fluid processes of digestion occur, the chest where the airy respiration occurs, and the head where the finer senses and brain reside. With the astral body, on the other hand, the regions correspond to the quality of emotional energy and to the significance we attach to physical sensory perceptions. "The division of the mental body into Elemental regions is even more subtle than emotional significance. Here, the Elemental regions correspond to the quality of awareness and perception. As I said at the outset, it is the mental body that perceives sensation. Without perception, sensation means nothing. The point being, that each perception by our senses *means* something. The perception of meaning that is hidden within sensation, occurs at four essential levels and this is what defines the Elemental regions of the mental body. "Corresponding to the Fire region is the direct perception of essential meaning. This is perception of the universal, objective and impersonal meaning behind each sensation. "Corresponding to the Air region is the perception of ideas and thoughts. This is the first layer of clothing given to essential meaning by our cognitive process. It is the beginning of our subjectification and personalization of essential meaning. "Corresponding to the Water region is the perception of personal significance or emotion. This is the heart of our personalization of essential meaning and is the most subjectifying component of our mechanism of perception. Here also is the sub-conscious aspect of the psyche, a realm where essential meaning is densely clothed with highly personalized symbols. "And finally, corresponding to the Earth region is the mundane awareness. This level of awareness is the active combination of the Fire, Air and Water aspects, processed through the physical brain, seated firmly in time and space. Its focus is primarily the physical realm. Here also is the influence of the rudimentary biologic consciousness of the physical body itself -- the inherited, cellular memory of human instinct." ============================ When one engages in (true) mental wandering, one does so with a mental body that is focused in the Air and Fire regions -- the Water and Earth regions being the awareness of the astral and physical bodies and one has separated the mental awareness from those bodies. Direct perception itself occurs within the Fire region of the mental body and is best described by your statement: "When my mental eyes fall upon the asteroid, I immediately feel overwhelmed with a seemingly endless mass of information, which at first seems very confusing." [It becomes less "confusing" as your mental "eyes" adjust to this new form of perception.] It's not until that direct perception is brought down into the Air region and given form with thoughts/ideas/words that it becomes clear and particulate. This aspect of mental perception is best described by your statement: "But when you begin to isolate some of this raw data, you suddenly (or slowly) see the entire course of the asteroid, it's physical origin, it's seemingly endless path through space, and perhaps you see glimpses of . . ." All of this information is present within the initial, Fire region, *direct* perception but it doesn't accrue sequence until you bring it down into the Air region and cognition (i.e., thinking) begins. So, what you're *describing* with your words is how a direct perception would likely appear as it's being *processed by* the Air region of your mental body. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 09 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis