Dear Rawn, >>>A natural Fluid condenser, such as the plant ingredients that Bardon listed, do not require a process of transformation. Unlike the human body, they are already capable of condensing the Fluids in their natural state. It's the specific natural ratio of Elements/Fluids that renders a substance a natural condenser.<<< If the plants that Bardonare natural fluid condensers, then what is the point of actual creating a liquid fluid condenser as Bardon describes? Mere practicality, perhaps? Can not just the raw plant material be used as a fluid condenser in a pinch, so to speak? Bardon also says that alchemically prepared essences are merely exquisitly created fluid condensers. So how does the quality of such an alchemical fluid condenser differ from the fluid condenser that Bardon describes? Also, how would a physical alchemical change of the substance - ie. distilation of a fluid - effect the quality of the fluid condenser? >>>The reason you're not comprehending is because your mind omitted one important word from what I said: *directly*. A physical condenser *directly* effects the physical, astral and mental. An astral condenser *directly* effects the astral and mental. A mental condenser *directly* effects the mental. An astral condenser will *eventually* have a physical effect and a mental condenser will *eventually* have an astral and physical effect (if that is the magician's desire).<<< Thanks, that clears that up in my often befuddled mind. Live well, Peter Reist