Dear Andreas, Welcome to BardonPraxis! :) I will answer your Rawn-related questions about the 8T, privately. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 30 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Fasching" <andif@...> To: <BardonPraxis-owner@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: Introduction and question Hi Everyone! I found Franz Bardon's book Initiation Into Hermetics about 10 years ago, but never had the willpower to build the exercises into my daily life. Last year in spring I didn't only find a way to do that but also this wonderful e-group e_franzbardon which led me to several even more wonderful sites that give tips for bardon students (my top favourite by the way clearly is www.abardoncompanion.com :-). Since I'm mainly interested in practical tips on magical practices and not so much in theoretical and theosophical discussions I'm glad that this group has been founded and wish Rawn all the best with this group. Unfortunately I had a "magical break" the last 2 months so, I have much to practice and read (303 posts in january alone; this is amazing!) Enough chattering about myself, now my question, however I'm not sure if it's welcome here. It is not strictly bardon related but rawn related but it's very practical, so I give it a try in this group: In the 8 Temples meditation rawn casts a ritual circle and I have no idea how I should Visualize that. I know there is a description of how a ritual circle could look like in the Geburah temple but is it always done with a sword? (Where is this sword lying/standing until Rawn begins) What is this ritual circle for? What do all the other members of the meditation do during your ritual circle? Are they Just standing around, waiting till Rawn is finished with the circle? Greetings and thanks Andi