Dear Vovin, >> My biggest problem at this stage is not the discipline of avoiding distractions, it is getting deeper. I realize what a great tool this level of mentation is, and I want to get deeper. I felt how, when I kept feeding the ideation/topic to my mind, it responded after a short time by totally focusing upon the topic at hand. I was released from the strain, and just flowed into the topic like the rush of a river. My question is this: Does anybody have any tips on how to get deeper into the ideation/topic? << The best tip is to keep doing what you're doing. It *will* evolve! ;-) As an experiment, I suggest that once you have flowed into it like the rush of a river (excellent metaphor, by the way!) and feel that you have filled it, then let go of the 'you' / 'it' polarity and allow yourself to become at-one-with it. One way of making that transition from "filling it" to "being it" is to use the emptiness of mind. In other words, at the point when you feel you have "filled it", enter into an emptiness of mind, releasing all thoughts entirely, and just BE. When you enter into the emptiness of mind from the starting place of a deep one-pointed focus, the point of focus has the effect of shaping the emptiness. It's like walking down a path that leads through a gate to a garden where you find the *essential meaning* of the thing you have been focusing upon. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 05 Feb 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis