Dear Peter, >> I would definetly beg to differ and say that the threads of causality do run both ways. This is primarily through my experience within Taiji Quan and Qigong. In particular when looking at how posture effects emotion, and hence mentation. When one stands upright, raises one's arms over their head and flexes their biceps...one will most definetly find it rather hard to say, "I'm depressed." In contrast, if one slouches forward, puts ones head between their legs, they will find it rather hard to yell out, "I'm happy!" << This is true but only in a specific way. Namely, physical posture, etc., affects the *astral* body or emotional state. Causality does run both ways in regard to the physical and astral bodies, but this is not true, strictly speaking, between the physical and mental bodies. It does not *directly* affect the mental body. This is important to the magician who must be master of their own emotional state. In other words, the magician must be able to determine their mental state regardless of their physical or emotional states. For example, some of my best thinking is done slouched in my chair! ;-) My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 20 May 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe