Dear Peter, >> Okay, that makes some sense. However, if this is just a matter of learning how to flex a certian set of specialized astral and mental muscles that are not normally worked, then why bother with all of the fancy ritual tools and regalia? Or to use the weightlifting analogy: why bother buying a fancy new weight lifting machine when you've got a nice set of old barbells that will do the job just as well? Also, you've got to note that I'm coming at the work of evocation from my work with kabbalah...about which Bardon does state that the kabbalahist will be able to get perfectly in contact with the spirits of all the different spheres via his knowledge of the workings of the ability to utter kabbalahistically. << The ceremonial regalia is like training wheels on a bicycle. They serve to support the magician's focus and their will as they learn the Art of evocation. Eventually, they become unnecessary. With Kabbala one can easily *get in contact*, but this is different than evoking an entity. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 08 Aug 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe