Dear Pierre, Thank you for your wonderful posts in this thread. :) I've enjoyed reading your words. >> (one eating the others for always, the purpose of this creation being completely obscure). << :) It's really not that obscure. It's an aspect of the *cycle* of life which is one of infinite change, guided by infinite continuity. If all living things were *not* part of a food chain (it's not just us animals who consume each other) we would not be expressing and experiencing the *cycle* of life in the way that we are -- we would not be earthlings all. But we *are* earthlings, all of us, regardless of species. Here and now, this is how the *cycle* of life is manifest, as it should and must be. Eating each other is part of what keeps life going, ending and in balance. This is Consciousness constantly changing its *forms*. >> From the point of choice, I feel better being not eating meet (especially whan knowing how we treat animals ...). But what you are saying is also true, it has no effect in itself on my vibs. This choice bears no compensation in itself; it does not improve my fate or improve my Karma. << What does bear compensation and does improve your karma is the fact that you *have* made a *conscious* choice! :) >> And also, there is apparently no karmic price for eating meet while there is seemingly for other behavior. This is because Eating meat is not against this world's law. << Where the karmic price or debt enters into the equation is in how we collectively and personally treat our food. If we *unthinkingly* eat a hamburger made from the ground up flesh of a bull that's lived its short life standing in its own manure with 300 others, while being pumped full of antibiotics and growth hormones, and never shown any affection whatsoever by the human race, then we connect ourselves very personally with the karmic wrong done to that poor, innocent creature, even though it was not done by our own hands. In our modern world, we are accustomed to assuming this burden and don't even notice its accumulation, don't even recognize its existence for the most part. It's sort of like karmic white-noise to most of us -- something in the back ground that's been there so long and so constantly that we're almost incapable of hearing it. But imagine for a moment, the volt of negative astra-mental energy that has accumulated over millennia of human disrespect for other animals. Multiply that bull's terror an unimaginable number of times . . . There is nothing that a single individual can do to completely absolve the human collective from this karmic debt. However, we can each chip away at it by addressing our personal connection and responsibility, just as we must with all of our actions. As you said, by thinking about what your food has experienced on its journey to your mouth and honoring, acknowledging and thanking it for *its* struggle, you compensate for your personal responsibility in that larger debt. If done properly, this will also counter-balance the negative energetic residue that fills the food itself. >> What if we apply the analogy law to our life ? what is the real purpose of our being here (apparently we are now at the very top of the alimentation laden). << ;-) Silly human! ;-) ;-) ;-) I'd say that in the eyes of a virus, fungus, bacteria or mosquito, we humans are way, way down there on the food chain! >> Surely the cow diet has little effect on its final fate -same for human, << I don't know if I'd really go that far. I think that our attitude in relation to what we eat *does* impact our "final fate". The cow, chewing her cud, doesn't have to worry about such things and therefore doesn't accrue karmic debt in regard to what she eats, in the way a human does. She is not abusing the grass she eats, she is merely eating it and probably thinking "Yummy!". :) My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 23 Aug 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe