Brother Peter, >> So we're looking at a process of acent, integration, and decent into the previous levels of self within each level of initiation in IIH, PME and KTQ. In which case initiation into the myseries is truely a creative re-shaping of the self so that it is in accord with that level of initiation. << :) Yes, exactly! What enables the next ascent is the re-shaping of the old-self, through a process of integrating of the new-self. >> Now, Bardon does hint at some extremely advanced works that are beyond the scope of PME and KTQ. The ones that comes to mind is the Kabbalahistic keys five through ten as well as working with beings of the realm of Pluto. The latter of which states is not relevant until the second day of creation, or the second cycle or some other such thing. Care to shead even a small thread of light upon these topics? << I'm not sure I'm capable of adequate description but I'll give it a go. The higher octave of kabbalistic speech would be akin to the "Final Form" of TMO in which one embodies the causal forces and acts *as* those forces. This is different than *using* those forces as one does in kabbalistic speech. In the higher form of PME, it's pretty much the same except that one is dealing with the direct manipulation of essential meaning as it is expressed through form in subsequent layers of density. Sorry, that's the best I can do at the moment. >> I'm sure I will. It's just a matter of figuring out how to fit it into my already relativly booked sceduel. << ;-) Yes, I know the feeling. But as you know, there are aspects of Self for which time is not so dense . . . My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 29 Oct 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe