I have had a difficult time with this exercise. I think of it as learning how to be in a deep pool of water without holding onto the wall. I liken the one-pointed exercise to entering the pool and holding on to the wall or ladder - holding on to one thought. It's nice to anchor my awareness in one thought. Well, actually, I should say it feels comfortable, secure. Then I tell myself to let go of the wall - that I'll slowly drift into non-thought. Sometimes I can. I may be able to do this successfully for a minute or two. Then I have a eureka! Wow, I think, I'm actually doing this, and I instinctively grope for my wall again - a thought. I like to think that the wall will be there - I can always return to a meditation on "something." But it's a matter of consciously letting go of thought and being firm in my willingness to remain there. Some days I'm better at it than others. But overall, even this low level of EOM has helped me get along in other areas. I think just by virtue of practicing EOM, my concentration has improved in the other IIH exercises and in my daily affairs. One other thing that may be useful - I find that when background thoughts seem to want to surface - when I want to flounder for my wall - I try not to get too worked up about their presence. Yup, they're there. But they're not important. The biggest insight I had was when I realized I was jumping onto a train of thought without even being aware of it. I was reaching for my figurative wall in the pool and squeezing it tightly. A half a minute could go by and I'd just then realize "hey, this isn't EOM." Don't beat yourself up over this. Let those thoughts drift away, and let go again. Ignore them, without thinking you've made a mess of this attempt. I know Bardon emphasizes consistent practice, but I find that after a few days off, I can come back with renewed vigor. I don't know why. But overall, I've found that the more I practice, the more comfortable I get with letting go of thoughts. Good luck! lori -----Original Message----- From: Rawn Clark [mailto:rawnclark@...] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:48 PM To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Digest Number 286 Dear Geoffrey, >> If thoughts just popping up and i am not willing or doing the thoughts .. they just pop up and create their story without my active interference..... is that EOM? or should i willingly shut them off? << That's somewhere between EOM and the passive observation. You're getting close but there's one more step to be taken before you reach a true EOM state. The difference is that with EOM you turn your mind completely away from those under-the-surface thoughts to such an extent that they don't register in your awareness at all. This is different than willfully shutting them off. This is a matter of *turning away from them and completely ignoring them*. Focus your awareness upon the emptiness instead of upon the thoughts. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 03 Nov 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 077360:HM/A=1754452/R=0/SIG=11tn6fnpm/*http:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqs o=60178324&partid=4116730> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116730.5333196.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1754452/rand=100183876> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]