Dear Allen, >> I guess what I am really after is hearing about the consequences of evocation without the correct training. << In the "Correspondence Excerpts" page on ABC.com, under the heading of "PME", you'll find several excerpts concerning evocation and the necessity of prerequisite training. http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/Corresp-Links.html My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 24 Nov 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe