Dear Martin, >> Firstly allow me to apologize for not replying to your reply sooner. Since you posted it, I have read it several times, but wanted to wait until I had enough time to really consider what you had written and try to understand it before replying. I must admit that this plan has failed somewhat, as I still do not understand a lot of what you wrote. I do, however, appreciate you having taken the time to reply in such detail and attempt to walk me through the concepts so patiently. << :) No problem. I had the sense that you were digesting and understood that there was a lot to chew on there. >> Although I understand the initial distinction here, I cannot grasp the idea beneath the concept of 'good' forms selfishness which brings us to true knowledge. Does this mean looking inward at oneself, studying one's character, meditating upon how one is linked to the Macrocosm? << Yes, that is one good example. >> OK, I think I understand that. The Creator and Man are one, it is simply an individual's perception which can led to a sense of distance from the Creator. Is that correct? << Yes, that's exactly his point. :) Furthermore, actions rooted in the perception of separation cause the deepening of that sense of separation. >> OK, wow... now my head is hurting. I do understand the concept of the "screen" and how it relates to character transformation, but as for the complex issue of desires, I think I'll let it dawn on me as/when I am ready :-) << ;-) Sounds like a good plan. >> This made me wonder if the ten steps of IIH correspond with the ten Sephiroth of the Tree of Life. If so, do we count Malkuth as corresponding with step one? Or as we are already manifest in the physical, does it connect instead with Yesod? In which case, would Daath correspond to step seven? Or is there absolutely no link at all? << I suggest that you read http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/8T-Steps.html While it's primarily in the context of the correlation between the 8T and IIH, it does discuss the relation between the Steps and the Sephirot themselves. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 25 Jan 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe