Dear "setiamon", >> for instance the idea earthgrid encaging the astral body,and that one would be "punished" for trying to transcend this by the judges of the sphere of saturn,is this merely a reflection of bardon's lifetime when man had not walked on the moon and punchered that frontier,or is there some reason man can physicaly pierce the atmosphere and walk on the moon without suffering negative spiritual effects? << If that was an example that an "experienced magickian" used to make their point then I suggest you question their true level of experience. ;-) Bardon's comment about the inability of the astral body to venture any further than the Earth Zone was simply pointing out two things: #1) the Zones *beyond* the "Zone Girdling the Earth" are aspects of the mental realm; and #2) the astral body cannot leave the astral realm and enter into the mental realm. His comment had nothing to do with the physical earth or physical moon, etc. I suggest reading http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/MQ-AP.html My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 01 Aug 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe