Could someone please, tell me where I can find a copy of Beat's book? I can't seem to locate A copy. Hilda Richard Scott <rscott@...> wrote: Thanks for the links & commentary. Two of the links are familiar, but when I get the time I'll definitely check out the others. R -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wilson [mailto:gnwilson@...] Sent: 02 August 2004 23:12 To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BardonPraxis] Classic Alchemy texts Hi, (My views follow, some thoughts to mull over, grist for the mill so they say) There is much debate over the 'value' of classic alchemical texts. First of all, many alchemical texts were written by people who already knew alchemy and (it is said) wrote more to show that they knew the process, and let other alchemists know that they knew. So, it is claimed, often they missed important steps in the process out, or they mixed some of the steps around, so those who don't know what they're doing cannot follow them. And of course much was written in allegorical language, and it can be difficult to tell which is being spoken plainly and straight up, and which is being alluded to, or described by extended metaphor (unless you already know the secret). Secondly, there is debate over who actually 'knew' the 'right' way, or any way at all. If you read the article on the Ingaleses, entitled "Did they confect the philosophers stone" ( http://www.crow-caw.com/TPS%20Pages/Articles/INGALESE.TXT) Richard Ingalese is quoted as having stated that he agreed with the statement: "Some one has said, 'You can destroy all other books on alchemy, for their knowledge and more is contained in the alchemical writings of Paracelsus." Mrs Ingalese told the Occult Review's Mrs McKenzie that A. E. Waite's edition of _The Hermetic and Alchemical Writings of Paracelsus_ were "the volumes that afforded her the most encouragement and help in her subsequent efforts." If you look at Pernety's "The Great Art" ( http://www.geocities.com/librorumprohibitorum/pernety-the-great-art.htm) You will find his thoughts on arriving at 'the Secret': "Of the Means of Arriving at the Secret The requirements necessary in order to arrive at this Secret, are: the knowledge of Nature and of one's self. One may not understand the first perfectly, or even the second, without the aid of Alchemy. The love of wisdom, the horror of crime, and of falsehood, the avoidance of cacochemists, the association of the wise, the invocation of the Holy Spirit; not to add secret to secret, to attach one's self only to one thing (because God and Nature delight in unity and simplicity), such are the conditions necessary for obtaining the divine revelation. Man being the epitome of all Nature, must learn to know himself as the summary, the miniature of Nature. By his spiritual part he is allied to all immortal creatures, and by his material part, to all that which is transient in the Universe." If you do intend to work your way through the classic alchemical texts, then I highly recommend reading Pernety, as he helps describe the world of hermetic philosophy through which many of the classic alchemists wrote about their works. Regardie's "Philosophers Stone" (available from http://www.geocities.com/librorumprohibitorum/ ) is another good way to get aquainted with Hermetic Philosophy as it relates to alchemical texts. However it was written at a time when Regardie believed the texts to only relate to spiritual matters, and said laboratory alchemy was a load of old cobblers. (Later he studying alchemy from Frater Albertus). Another recommended technique I've seen (which makes sense from a magical perspective) is to read all you can about the life and times of the alchemist whose text you wish to study. Then meditate on the alchemist. In you inner mind assume their energy, and see yourself reading books on alchemy, working in the lab, making realisations, etc, etc... being as creative as you can about the whole process. From this, you can assist your learning about the process. If you have someone to work with you (who knows Hypnosis or related trance processes) perhaps they can guide you in this process. Also, don't overlook modern books such as Herbert Stanley Redgrove's "Alchemy: Ancient and Modern ( http://www.hermetics.org/ebooks.html ) which also contains brief biographies of some of the classical alchemists. There is also plenty of thoughts (pro and contra) which can arise after reading modern alchemists' views on the classic texts. There are various groups on Yahoo dedicated to alchemy, and some of the practicing alchemists are willing to teach you what they know, but often they will require some committment from you in the beginning, such as obtaining labware and doing some of the herbal work (with little assistance) to "prove your worth" (perhaps) ... at very least most of them seem to have a low tolerance to time wasters (can't blame them really). Finally, I know the address of Adam McLean's site has already been posted but I thought it would be worthwhile mentioning that there is also a mirror site located at: http://www.alchemywebsite.com/ (easier to remember). Cheers, Graeme Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129qcfki2/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=1705077360:HM/EXP=1091572658/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=798386716> _____ Yahoo! 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