Dear "setiamon", >> I have yet to get into the work of PME and KTQ even though i have the books because no matter how many times i read it it won't stick and i assume untill i master the first excercises of IIH namly sustained One-pointness and vacancy of mind I won't be able to actualize the fallowing methods since so far my attempts have resulted in bizzare effects << The work of PME and KTQ is very advanced stuff and, as Bardon stated, shouldn't be pursued until *after* one has completed *Step Eight* of IIH. I recommend that you focus upon the work of IIH and set PME and KTQ aside for now. >> BTW am i safe just practicing the IIH stuff namly the first part (one pointedness and vacancy) for as long or deep as i can because i'd like to seriously develop control and focus over my mind before advancing << I suggest that you do the work exactly as Bardon stated it. Pursue the mental, astral and physical exercises of Step One together in the order given by Bardon. That is what will guarantee your advancement. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 03 Aug 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe