This isn't carezza since that doesn't involve climax, whereas tao sex does but not ejaculation. You only need a few simple orbit moves to get going on the alchemy side of it, nothing difficult. Interested to hear about Michael Winn's approach. I've done this stuff for years and recommend it (and all Taoist practices too) as an adjunct to Bardon. Rawn wouldn't like this, we're going off-topic. Laszlo e-mail me privately on _JWingate2002@..._ (mailto:JWingate2002@...) for any other questions if you like. best to all, Jason [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]