No, no, not rambling on at all. I thank you for your elaboration. It is helpful to me and believe me there are others who are getting something from it. But in 'particular' I wondered if you could elaborate on this specific section for me to explain what you meant please; meditate on the tetragrammaton itself and its significance I think this is where you are using a sentence where it means all the world to you 'but' each of us may be seeing the relavance of the word 'tetragrammaton' from our own experiential level with our own description attached to it, but what exactly do 'you' mean when you use the tetragrammaton in the meditation please? Thanks I wish you well Chuck --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, Jwingate2002@a... wrote: > Hello Chuck, when I said > > >>"My only other comment on the whole process so far is that the > mental helps with the astral. As in, once you get good at Thought > Discipline you can meditate on the tetragrammaton itself and its > significance, and then be constantly aware, ..."<< > all I meant was, and unlike what a cursory read of IIH seemed to say to me > at 1st anyhow, Thought Discipline (step 1 mental ex 2) is really about being > able to think very clearly and deeply without deviating - but it still is > thinking, a *chain* of thoughts, not stopping them. If you ever write well and > really concentrate on what you actually mean it's just the same - but the paper > is your mind, and instead of grabbing thoughts from a stream you watch the > whole stream carefully, or that's how it's starting to seem to me, but I'm not > expert yet I wouldn't say. So I use that to dig into the 4 elements and kind > of watch them working in a general way. Why would someone say something so > bizarre as that the universe comes down to them? This took me a while and I > still haven't got it, but it's like there's a logic to them. They fit together > and complement each other. > > So once you see that in principle you start to notice it in practice on alot > of levels, or that's what I found. You can almost watch that overbalancing > on a positive element going to the negative in terms of mood - in a > conversation for example, too much enthusiasm giving way to irritation, too much > sympathy and compassion turning into depression, too much lighthearted banter > turning into mischief, too much weight and gravitas becoming locked into dogma, etc > etc for example. So you feel a way you can walk forward without toppling and > in doing so you are using the other side of that same exercise, the one > where you stay aware all day. I mean, I give social examples but they don't have > to be of course. You stay focussed on whatever it is and notice what your > natural reaction is. > > Sorry to run on. Never ask *me* to 'elaborate', unless you really, like, > *mean* it! > > You said: > > > > >>Think of it, nobody has > any of the same situation in their early growing years. We may all > have one parent, two parents, but we have a different family friend > who always has an impact on us for instance.<< > > ... and I think you're spot on there. I think family is something magic > doesn't usually touch on but it's really interesting and I do think about it > alot. Not only all the usual stuff about early experiences (I do think some > Freudian ideas have something to them now, which I never did before - who would > have thought *magic* would do that??) but also, as bardon himself said, the > Akasha in its 'coarsest form' lies in the blood and semen (or egg). There is a > strong tie to me of fate in family, in everything to do with sex. It makes > sense to me as a male, looking at how one behaves at puberty when all the stuff > comes flooding in. One could say that's when certain karmic burdens start > functioning, I'm just speculating here I don't know for sure. > > Anyway the thing is the Hermetic approach allows you to see it. I don't > really think you need spend alot of time reliving the past deliberately, but you > do kind of need to know if you're doing it subconsciously! Who was it who said > that the things we fear most have already happened to us? Anyhow, praise to > Bardon because his course is a thing of beauty. Sometimes when I first read > it it seemed almost thrown together, but as it turns out it's really > incredibly precisely engineered and that's why it delivers, so I'd say. > > Best wishes, Jason > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]