William Bloom mentions what he calls "heavies" in his book (in the form of a ceremonail diary) "The Sacred Magician". He seems to have experienced these negative presences during prayer and meditation and also during sleep. Bloom performed the ritual described in "The Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage". Here are a few extracts from the book - do these descriptions ring a bell? "I felt a strong malevolent presence trying to interfere, tempting me with lazy peace and power if I should become his friend. He departed after five seconds. I do not know whether this is a good or bad start. I am torn apart and everything is in a sort of senseless limbo - but my head behind all this keeps on smiling. (NOTE BY AUTHOR: Throughout the six months I often experienced what I interpreted as malevolent energies. I did not see or hear them, but felt them.)" "Shortly after I went to sleep last night, I was attacked(?) by an astral entity that seemed to try to enter my body - a feeling of suffocation and smothering. I was not frightened for one second and dismissed it by affirming my faith in our Lord Christ. However, had I been cooler I would have found out what it was. I wonder whether it is in any way linked with our guest [...] Or was it purely a test on me or something I alone attracted? Somehow I do not feel that it was dangerous - more lost and sad - perhaps I should have been gentler with it." He also describes a psychic war with Hilter during one night! Now, I don't know what all this means or what these entities described might be. Are they part of one's own psyche? Are they separate entities? Is it all simply a matter of perception? Martin --- In BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com, "setiamon" <setiamon@y...> wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has ever experienced a sensation of a > oppressive/threatening presence while in meditation,or relaxed,i > experienced something very unusual recently a feeling of something > coming up close to me and covering me pushing on me,i even for a > second felt a slip into unconcioussness but came right out,i just > focused my "will" on pushing it out of my awareness and after a few > minutes it did.this isn't the first time i'v experienced the sense of > a negative presence a few times i'v even opend my eyes to see dark > figures where i felt the presence from.oddly anuff bardon doesn't say > anything about this in the initial aspects,is that because there is no > real danger?i have read and done shielding visualizations i found on > various site but that really doesn't seem to do anything.this isn't > continous just ocassionaly.is this something to worry about or should > i just ignore negative entities?