Dear Jason, I get the impression from your descriptions that *you* are not in control of these visualizations and this concerns me somewhat. The idea here is that *you* create these visualizations by an act of will. These are not something that should "come to you", they are things that *you* create. As such, *you* are the one to determine whether or not they move or stand still. At no point should you be in the position of having to fight to control them. It's important that the images a magician creates remain within their control at all times. My suggestions are as follows: #1) If your visualization takes on a will of its own, dismiss it immediately and start over with re-creating a willed image. #2) Since this doesn't occur when you work with your eyes open (an indication that you are more focused and willful when your eyes are open), try starting with your eyes open and then take that stable image into your closed eyes. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 03 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis