Dear Peter, >> Now, since a fluid condenser is essentially anything that attracts and contains the magnetic and/or electrical fluid, is it not safe to say that this extends to substances that are astral and mental in nature as well? Is a visualization a fluid condenser? A thought? A strongly felt emotion? If so, what would be the consequences of this? How would you work with an astral or mental fluid condenser? Wouldn't a thoughtform/elemental be a mental or astral fluid condenser? << Fluid condensers do not themselves automatically attract a charge of the Fluids. They have to be loaded with an accumulation by the magician. The one exception to this rule is the Philosopher's Stone. What distinguishes a Fluid condenser from any other thing which naturally is composed of the Fluids&Elements, is the fact that a condenser is capable of *holding* an accumulation. Non-condensers will immediately radiate an accumulation and are not capable of holding on to the accumulation once charged. You are correct in your idea of astral and mental condensers. A physical Fluid condenser immediately effects all three realms simultaneously and must be created within the physical realm, out of physical materia; an astral condenser, effects the astral and mental realms simultaneously and must be created within the astral realm, out of astral materia; and a mental condenser, effects only the mental realm immediately and, likewise, must be created within the mental realm, out of mental materia. The process of creating astral and mental condensers requires a ficility with each of these realms and the direct manipulation of their respective materia. For example, in order to create an astral condenser you would need to directly shape the astral materia itself, be able to finalize its form (i.e., give it stable duration), and then load it with an appropriate accumulation of Fluids/Elements. All of these tasks would need to be carried out within the astral realm. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 03 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis