Dear Julia: Thank you so much! I appreciate the help that you and the other respondents have offered. Ironically, just as I had reached the point of maximum discouragement, I had a small breakthrough. During my practice session yesterday evening I believe that (at last) I was actually able to passively observe my thoughts. In the hope that my subjective impressions might be of assistance to other students, here is what it felt like: My self-awareness (for me, it feels as if it is located in the middle of my head) became very still. Then it "relaxed" (this felt like unclenching a muscle). Then, in a strange way, my awareness seemed to become "transparent" (physical sensations, images, thought dialog, and so on seemed to pass through my awareness without interacting with it). There was also a change in my sense of time (the practice session seemed to pass in an instant). There was one odd side-effect. When I opened my eyes at the end of my practice session I had to struggle a little to come out of the "passive observation" state. For a few seconds I was looking around the room and seeing furniture etc and my brain wasn't interpreting what I saw (i.e., if you look at a chair in a normal state of consciousness you sort of say to yourself "that's a big green chair." In this case that almost subconscious recognition and naming of objects wasn't happening for a brief time after my practice session). It was a little disorienting but it faded quickly as my normal state of consciousness reasserted itself. Thanks again for your input and goodwill! Sincerely, /RM/ ----- Original Message ----- From: jcsz1 <jcsz1@...> To: BardonPraxis@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: [BardonPraxis] Re: Will and willpower Hello RM, There is a link here you might like to look at to get some ideas on how to perk up your interest with the exercises. http://www.lava.net/~pagios/brief2.html I think they're good to complement the Bardon exercises (obviously not to replace them). Julia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]