Dear RM, Glad to hear you've recovered! *If* you try the triple shield with the VE again, I suggest doing it alone instead right on the heels of the Light shield. I think that might have been the problem. Either that or it wasn't the VE you were wielding. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 08 Feb 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis