Dear Hilikus77, >> Bardon (step 8) shows a way to use the elements with fluid condenser. A fluid condenser of the Air (impregnated with a wish) could active the element Air... It's the same for the elements Earth and Water. << In these operations, the Fluid Condenser is secondary to the methodology employed (i.e., combustion, evaporation, mixture and decomposition). In other words, these natural processes are the agents of the Elements and the Fluid Condensers themselves merely support or add to the result. In fact, Bardon even stated that accumulating the Elements was optional and yet this is something one would normally do to empower (i.e., fill) a Condenser. >> My problem comes with the Fire element. Here, Bardon say any kind of condenser can be used to activate the Fire element. << Here, it is because the natural process of combustion will override any Elemental influences carried by an uncharged Condenser. Combustion is the physical corollary of the Fire Element at its most powerful -- absolutely nothing can stand in its way. >> If a condenser is full of the Water Element, does it have any sense to use it with the Fire element ? According to what Bardon wrote, I would say yes, but it seems kinda strange to me. << No, it would not make any sense. However, in the practices Bardon described in the section you reference, the Fluid Condensers have not already been charged (i.e., filled with an accumulation of the Elements or Fluids). In other words, he didn't suggest using a charged Fluid condenser for the Fire work. Therefore, there wouldn't be any conflict of opposites such as would result when trying to impress an accumulation of Fire upon an already charged Water Condenser. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 29 May 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe