Dear Rawn, Thank you very much for your reply, it clears a number of things, and actually confirms my own thoughts upon how the three trees relate to the three realms. ;) Could you expand upon the ten stages of initiation within the Western Hermetic tradition. From what I know of the ten degrees within Golden Dawnish systems they seem to be associated with the ten sepheroth: 10=1, 9=2 and so forth. Which balances out the bodies more: the acumulation of the elements within their respective regions, or the condensation of the essential meaning of the sepheroth within the three bodies? Or is it more along the lines of a different quality of balance? Love and Live well, Peter Reist