Dear Peter, >> Thank you very much for your reply, it clears a number of things, and actually confirms my own thoughts upon how the three trees relate to the three realms. ;) << :) My pleasure. >> Could you expand upon the ten stages of initiation within the Western Hermetic tradition. From what I know of the ten degrees within Golden Dawnish systems they seem to be associated with the ten sepheroth: 10=1, 9=2 and so forth. << Instead of writing something myself, I suggest "The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order" by Paul Foster Case. In that book, he does the best job I've ever read of describing the initiatory degrees in the Western Hermetic Tradition. I also suggest that you take a look at my "Permutations of the Tree: BOOK 231". Specifically the section titled "The 231 Gates of Yetziratic Redemption (Initiation)". The gates that belong to each of the Sephirot, describe the tasks of initiation into that specific Sephirot/degree. These Gates are arranged in an initiatory sequence. >> Which balances out the bodies more: the acumulation of the elements within their respective regions, or the condensation of the essential meaning of the sepheroth within the three bodies? Or is it more along the lines of a different quality of balance? << Yes, it is a difference in quality as opposed to quantity. However, there is the matter of the long time it takes to learn how to truly condense the Tree into the three bodies, verses the considerably shorter time it takes to learn how to truly accumulate the Elements and thereby balance the three bodies. In other words, it takes less time to learn the Elemental work than it does the Kabbalistic work. By "the Kabbalistic work", I don't mean simply visualizing the Tree in each of your three bodies. Instead, I mean the ability to *truly* condense the essential meaning of each component of the Tree (i.e., the 32 Paths of Wisdom), into each of the three bodies. Bardon described this process in the "Preparatory" work section of KTQ. Achieving this ability requires the undertaking of a long process of transformation affecting all three bodies, brought about by the exercises that Bardon described. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 29 Jun 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe