Dear Peter, >> What is the purpose of actually evoking a spirit into the magical triangle in a formal evocation when you can learn as much from the spirit in via this manner as through mental wandering to that sphere and contacting that spirit? << You do have the knack of asking the "right" questions! :) Since I'm with a Visitor this weekend, I won't write out a long answer. Instead, I suggest that you read http://www.ABardonCompanion.com/WhyPME.html My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 02 Aug 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe