Dear 'Shenra777', >> A question: Bardon says it takes a charge of 462 times to manifest from the higher plane to the physical plane. But what does it mean? 462 what? days? minutes? how many minutes per day? Bardon says for the magician it is a question of will, i would like to know for peoples who can manifest like that, how long did it took? If we have to wait 462 days before manifesting something it would be too long...lol << He means repeating the magical operation (whatever it may be) 462 times in succession. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 18 Sept 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe