Dear Daniel, >> Hmm. I have exactly the same condition as Oliver, and I wonder - for the third exercise, should I eliminate those "deep" thoughts as well, so that I will be left with a _completely_ empty mind, and not just an empty _surface_ mind? If I indeed should get rid of them, how exactly? I know how to quiet down my surface thoughts, but how can I quiet thoughts that I'm not even fully aware of unless I actively try to bring them up?I'm rather sure that I'll need a _fully_ quiet mind at some point.. << Not everybody will have the same experience I had. I suggest that you deal with your mind *as it is* and don't worry about trying to find thoughts that, for all intents and purposes, aren't there. If, during your practice of the Emptiness of Mind, you encounter deeper thoughts, then address them at that time. The Emptiness of Mind is something that gets deeper and deeper the longer you practice it. By the end of Step One, all that is *required* is that you empty your surface mind of all thoughts. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 30 Sept 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe