Dear David, >> But from looking at various spiritual approaches to different states of consciousness, it's become more plain to me that there is a point, it's just part of a larger context of growth and learning than just using the dream as a Holodeck. so what you said makes sense. << It can be a very useful tool in the context of the Soul Mirror work and character transformation. >> Which leads me to a few other questions on emptiness. I think I am finally experiencing scanty moments of "true" emptiness. It feels like whenever I experience it, I grab at it and try to hold it and so it slips away. So instead I just have to keep "dodging" thoughts and focus on being open and allowing the emptiness to permeate me. Does that sound about right? << Sure. :) >> Also, Rawn, you mentioned that in step one Bardon only expects the student to have achieved a silencing of surface thoughts, not a complete emptiness of mind. At one point does is Bardon's minimal requirement for having achieved vacancy of mind fulfilled: At the point where my thoughts stop being verbal and begin to be more feeling-ideas, or at the point where they are entirely gone? << True emptiness is no-thought, no-thinking, just the pure perception of BEing. By the end of Step One it needs to be no-thinking. As time goes by and your practice continues, different layers of the mind reveal themselves and the emptiness changes character as you become more and more accustomed to it. >> How do you differentiate between awareness of inner experience in general (thoughts, ideas, feelings, images, etc.) and awareness of thought (a la Thought Control) if they are all connected and related? << The "thought control" exercise is about *passively observing* what transpires in the surface mind. In other words, it's non-participatory and all you do is *observe*. The "though discipline" exercise, on the other hand, is about focusing intensively upon just a single thought or train of thoughts while simultaneously excluding all unrelated thoughts. The subject "thoughts" is the same in both exercises but the difference is found in your relationship to those thoughts. >> And is it normal to feel fear when opening up to this emptiness? It feels like I am resisting the letting go of my ego-boundaries. << I'd say it's a fairly common reaction. Resistance to change breeds fear. The "trick" is to not resist. "Resistance is futile!" ;-) My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 13 Nov 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe