Bardon mentions in PME a few symbols to that the magician can draw to represent the microcosm and the macrocosm. Under the heading of Pentacle, Lamen, and Seal he gives one that I don't quite understand. It's the hexagram inside two circles, with a pentagram inside the hexagram, and inside the pentagram a cross with equal arms. I drew to versions of this and I'm wondering if the orientation is correct. I didn't draw the cross because I wans't sure of the directions of it. I'm guessing that it should be oriented with the northern point of the pentagram as being up. This drawing however is not very symmetrical so I was wondering if anyone could help me with the symbol. Here's my drawing of it. They are in bitmap format and so are roughly 2 megs in size. Unfortunately when I converted to jpeg format, the drawing became mostly white and some lines disappeared. http://filebox.vt.edu/users/alcook/drawings/pme_symbol.bmp Any help is very much appreciated. I like to understand everything that I read :) All Will Go Well, --Alan