Dear Rawn, Thanks. Your comments clarifies things alot for me. As an after thought, I once heard negative emotions compared to a bear. Very quick, very powerful and very destructive. At least rage would be like that. There are very subtle emotions that would not be so expressive, but in the long run might be as destructive. Robroy Rawn Clark <rawnclark@...> wrote: Dear Robroy, >> It is difficult for me to understand how you associate auto-immune disease with reluctance to be incarnate. Is this something that you perceive intuitively to be correct or is it associated with ancient teachings << It is what *I* perceive, regardless of teachings on the matter, ancient or modern. :) >> I wish you would elucidate more fully on this subject. Why is the auto-immune system the target? << The auto-immune system isn't the "target" per se. Rather, it is one area in which this astral-mental reluctance will manifest within the physical body. Do you understand the difference here? Just as your liver wasn't the "target" of your anger, but was where your anger manifested in your physical body. The immune system is supposed to protect our body from foreign organisms that would otherwise harm us. With auto-immune disease, the immune system sees the components of the body itself as being a foreign substance. In other words, the immune system seeks to end the body's life instead of preserve it. >> It would be difficult for me to conceive of any physical manifestation of imbalance to not include the emotional and mental elements. However, it would be difficult to determine which came first. << The question of which came first is irrelevant since they are, in essence, inseparable. Thoughts affect emotions and vise a versa, and both affect material substance (albeit, emotions affect material substance more directly and more dramatically). >> Ancient teachings make reference to the emotional body being the major contributor to physical imbalance and thoughts having less contribution than people might think. << This is a deceptive statement. Emotions have an immediate affect upon the physical body because the are more akin (energetically) to material substance than are (normal) thoughts. But the causal root of every emotion is a complex of thoughts and patterns of thinking. Emotions do not exist without thoughts and thinking -- they are (normally) the avenu e by which thoughts impact the material substance of our physical bodies. However, Hermetics teaches us that thoughts, given enough conscious intention, can directly affect material substance without the intermediary of emotion. >> A reluctance to be incarnate certainly would involve the emotional body in that one might be dissatisfied with their life and circumstances and not know how to roll with the punches. I can see from that angle how the auto-immune system would be affected. It puzzles me when I think of how a particular emotion affects specific organs or systems. << An emotion manifests as a dense astral energy that is very close in type to the energy that inhabits material substance. It is so close in type that the affect upon material substance is almost immediate (and in some cases, is immediate). This is especially true with the physical body. For example, when you are embarrassed, you will *immediately* blush. The "energy signatures" of specific emotions share an affinity with the "energy signatures" of specific organs within the human body; or rather, their energies are more similar than with the other energies that manifest within the whole physical structure. For example, the emotional energetic of anger is very similar to the physical energetic of your liver. :) Therefore, your anger has a greater, more direct affect upon your liver function than on the rest of your body. Although this is not to say that anger has no affect elsewhere in your body as it can also be destructive to your adrenals, blood pressure, etc., depending upon *how you manage your anger*. >> We are so much in the habit of lying to ourselves through justifying our inner contradictions, that we hardly ever desire to get at the root cause of our problems. << Yes, it is the nature of the sub-conscious psyche (but not of the consciously transformed psyche) to always protect the status quo, so to speak. The habit of *not* confronting the truth of our inner self is what keeps the psyche below our awareness or *sub-* conscious. >> I would think that the major aim of all hermetic students would be to learn how to control their passions and emotions and be happy with what life has given them, and realize that true happiness comes from the inside and does not come from outside events coinciding with one's desires and wants. << Yes, and here is where the structure of training that Bardon presented shines so brightly in my opinion. He focused *first* upon attaining the astral Equilibrium. Without the astral Equilibrium (i.e., the understanding of emotions and the mental discipline of them -- what you are calling "control"), one fixates only (or at least, primarily) upon the emotional significance of what one experiences instead of perceiving its essential meaning. This leads to thinking some things are significant when in fact they aren't, and vise a versa, to underestimating or missing entirely the things that are the most meaningful of all. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 09 April 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]