G'day Chuck, >And as you state, much as one reads in Bardon's texts. Franz simply went about balancing himself in the elements when attacked by evil. He did not retaliate. < Having only read IIH, I've little knowledge of Bardon's biographical history. In a nutshell, I'm not sure *what* he did or didn't do. > Karma, Divine Providence took care of retribution/striking back. < If you want to look at it that way. To me, "Retribution" only makes sense in the context of "I must punish you, because you did something I don't agree with, or something that offends me". My concept of Divine Providence is of something that's infinitely Inclusive. Therefore, there's *nothing* in existence that's "disagreeable" or "offensive" to Divine Providence. Therefore, Divine Retribution ceases to make sense. Further, my concept of Divine Providence is something that is Omniscient. It would, by definition, be impossible to "offend" something that sees all. Finally, "offense" only make sense in the context of Human morality. For example: "I believe homosexuality is wrong. Therefore, I will be offended whenever I encounter homosexuality". Why assume that Divine Providence applies similar moral judgements towards *Her own creation*? What would be the point of Infinite Love creating something that She was only going judge later on? Indeed, the phrase "later on" doesn't make any sense when applied to Divine Providence, if she is indeed Omniscient. I can only conclude that Divine Providence does not judge, does not observe Morality in the way Humans do, and certainly does not dish out Retribution. > We get what we put out. < It's not clear whether you're talking about "morality" here, or "actions". If you're talking your morality, well, I'd say it's entirely subjective. (Bardon's description of the Soul Mirror exercise makes that plain: that *YOU* judge your own morality; that there's no "universal morality" that's applicable to all.) However, if you're talking actions, I'd have to agree with you. Because for me Karma is like this: "I lay my head upon a pillow, a dent appears in the pillow". It's cause and effect. See ya, Jason