Hello all at Bardon Praxis! I have been turning some things over in my head for the past month or two. Since the things i am pondering are steps away and i am not actively working on those steps, i am still quite curious. I know from past experience that when one is actively on the step it becomes considerably more clear. In actuality i am not even really looking for a definite answer, more along the ideas of ...."think on this...your missing something from the total picture..etc." I think an "answer" would take all the fun out of it lol. This one was asked by a friend who has read Mr.Bardons works but not pursuing the work it self. "When one reaches the end of step 10 Mr.Bardon says there is nothing more he can tell the initiate for he has become one with Deity. Yet we have 2 more books after this!" I gave the answer i thought that made sense , that the magician does not *need* those books, it just makes things easier on him to have the information instead of collecting it all by himself. However the more i think about that "answer" the more i see holes. Now i understand information wise the difference between merging with personal God and the Unity as Mr. Clark has written on. That being said.... - If the magician is merged with Deity, why would he need to read and learn how to evoke spirits or speak in the universal language. Would not the merging bring the magician into that knowledge of the cosmic language and no need to evoke a spirit since they are one with God? What could a spirit tell you or why do you need to show your magical authority over a spirit when you are one with God? - I know there must be a quantum level of difference between personal Deity and the Unity. So as i see it one first merges with the personal Deity and then progresses up the Tree merging with higher god forms until they have the potential to accept a merger with the Unity. So is this where PME and KTQ come in? Possibly The merger with ones personal Deity is not as awe-some and connecting as i think and only a "device" to raise ones four primary aspects to a higher level. If this were the case i see that one would need to slowly work with spirits/geniuses up to deities until Unity is reached. So this beings me to : are books 2 and 3 apart of step 10 in a way? Meaning in step 10 spirit you rise along the planes up to Unity. In step 10 astral you build your personal god. This is not completed truly until one works on all three books at once integrating all these energies into the self, mastering the spherical sentient energies by evocation and the cosmic lawfulness by tetra-polar speech. - I have a friend who does ritual invocations of the Greek deities. I have seen these rituals and they are beautiful and fascinating. Now his face and demeanor change and you can tell that there is something different. Watching the aura around him i can see a completely different energy. Its more vibrant and more plentiful. He gives each one in the circle a dialog that is helpful or has some importance to the future. Now i know that Mr.Bardon says these are possessions. What i am wondering: Is this in some way what Mr.Bardon speaks of in the merging with personal Deity, except that one builds the Deity and not takes a "ready-made one"? When one is progressing up the spheres does one truly merge with the deities met? What makes it different than possession as spoken by Mr.Bardon before? Maybe i am wrong maybe one is only to converse with the deities as they rise up? This would still produce an effect within the initiate, most anyone recognizes the fact we all adapt to the environment or setting. Over a period of time it would make sense one would take on more deified qualities by being around them more. -Would it be possible from a mere theoretical point of view to not create and merge with a personal Deity and only connect to the deities one meets along the way until finally reaching the Unity? If it were possible what would be the advantages or disadvantages of this process compared to the steps one should do as per Mr. Bardon. (let me say i am not proposing i want to do the skipping of the personal Deity, it's mere theoretical thought.This is the only one i want more of an answer to if possible, considering i will be doing the step exactly as Mr. Bardon states) - I really am sympathetic to the types of ritual-less evocations Mr. Mistelle discusses on his site. I find them much more appealing than getting all dressed up, ritual weapons and wands, etc.etc. I know that when one masters a sphere one can do away with the tools and evoke without them. I know that the tools are there for the memory and the mind. So really it just takes one to "program" their mind right? Also he speaks on joining his mind to spirits to understand their minds and spending time in the mental body meditating with or near the spirit. I have a few thoughts on this but they have not matured to ripeness yet. I should maybe email him on those thoughts another day. Well those are my ponderings. It helped alot just to type them all out and see them. I have always found writing out a question makes you realize many things about the question or thoughts you are having. Ill be interested in any further questions raised by this or suggestions given for further meditation. Thanks for your time. Have a great day. Yours in truth, Justin B Truth.The Work.Growth.Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]