Dear J., Bardon put the beginning of the work of evocation at a point *after* the completion of Step Eight of IIH for a number of reasons, many of which I've written about in the past. I agree with Bardon's placement as being absolutely, unequivocally essential for *genuine* Hermetic initiation. As a consequence, I am willing to discuss questions about the actual practice of PME *only* with those who have followed Bardon's system and have reached the completion of Step Eight -- and then, only in private. However, any one who has actually completed Step Eight would have no reason to ask me, or any one else, for advice. In other words, I will not answer questions whose answers would in any way encourage folks to pursue evocation unprepared. >> Q: With the correct information, proper training & actual experience in the art of evocation, couldn't one achieve some useful insights from a kabbalistic understanding of the letters of a beings name ? << In the part of PME which comes before the grimoir, Bardon instructed that the *first* step in an evocation is for the magician to mentally wander into the entity's realm and contact the entity personally. Such an experience brings an intimate understanding of the entity in question and completely negates any need for additional intellectual "information". What one perceives in that experience has little to no relationship to the mundane, human-language letters we might use to spell out the phonetic of an entity's "name". Hermetic *magic* is not about reliance on lists of names whose derivation you have no way of affirming or tables of correspondences composed by others, etc. *Magic* is rooted in *personal*, direct perception and experience. One reason that Bardon placed evocation *after* the completion of Step Eight of IIH is because by that point in one's initiation, one is capable of the degree of direct personal perception that evocation requires and one has amassed sufficient experience to interpret those perceptions accurately. To my mind, an aspiring magician is better served by investing their time acquiring those abilities through the pursuit of IIH than by diverting their energies in areas for which they are unprepared. >> Q: ...And are you saying that a spirit/intelligence DOESN'T have a melody... that there's no tonal-vibraration specific to each being that can help in establishing a handshake protocol ?? << No, that's not what I've said. What I said was that the assignments offered are completely useless. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 06 Oct 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe