Dear Jason, >> I see the distinction here and would like to ask: why do you think Derrick found his mindfulness disappearing when he practiced Step 1 as opposed to the zazen of before? Is it because one has to re-learn without the breath? << To begin with, Zazen practice is not about attentively observing the surface mind -- it's about attentively ignoring the surface mind -- so detached *observation* would be a different skill in regard to Zazen and have different results than sitting Zazen. Additionally, the first mental exercise doesn't exist in a vacuum of practice -- there's also the concurrent work of developing the Soul Mirror. As has often been noted, drawing up the positive and negative lists of character traits can cause turmoil in the student's psyche which often manifests itself as blockages to progress in other areas of practice. By the way, I see no conflict in practicing the Step One exercises *and* sitting Zazen or practicing Vipassana, so long as there is a separation between them and a clear understanding of their differences in context, method and aim. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 19 Oct 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe