In a message dated 19/10/2004 21:19:32 GMT Daylight Time, rawnclark@... writes: >> Bardon's exercises address the surface mind directly whereas exercises which focus upon the breath, distract the surface mind. << I see the distinction here and would like to ask: why do you think Derrick found his mindfulness disappearing when he practiced Step 1 as opposed to the zazen of before? Is it because one has to re-learn without the breath? Jason [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]