Dear Martin, I suggest that you simply do the VoM/EoM as Bardon described it *before* trying to find or incorporate another method. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 30 Oct 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe