Dear Tim, >> My last post was a bit manic I'm afraid, so I thought I'd compress it a little. << Even so, I'll still answer them both anyway. :) >> I found the last few posts interesting, as I have similarly felt a VOM during previous meditations practises. I have no thoughts and the longer I stay within it the more 'at-one' I feel. It also seems to make everything a lot more clear, like my sight and my head and body feel lighter. I have been persuing this for quite some time before I came across Bardons work. << >> I have tried this for some time with thoughts occuring still but with my focus on VOM the thoughts only occur when neccessary, mainly from outside of myself, and although it may be unrelated, it seems to amplify synchronicity, ie lots of coincidences occur. << As I explained in my Self-Healing Archaeous audio Lessons, VoM occurs when your awareness is focused exclusively within the Fire region of your temporal mental body. Which is to say, when your awareness is focused exclusively upon *perception*. By exclusively, I mean that you have excluded thinking (the Air region of the temporal mental body), feeling (the Water region of the temporal mental body), and physical sensing (the Earth region of the temporal mental body) from your conscious awareness and are focused only upon *perception* without these additional layers of *interpretation*. When this occurs, your conscious awareness is in absolute sync with the objective universe, with the NOW. It is the *temporal* state of BEing without DOing. It is therefore no wonder that you are left feeling as if it "seems to make everything a lot more clear, like my sight and my head and body feel lighter". :) >> My questions are basically what is the difference between thought and no-thought, ie how are they related? Are they like two paths one leading to a centered state, and the other through the myriad branches of thought to the circumfrence of the centered state? Is one way better than the other? << Both are aspects of *awareness*, one perceptual and one interpretive. Thinking is the purview of the Air region of the temporal mental body and perceiving is the purview of the Fire region. Thinking is the first stage of interpreting, personalizing and processing the perceptions of the Fire region. Without thinking, these perceptions cannot be integrated into the personality or day-to-day awareness. Neither can be said to be *more* nor *less* important than the other. >> Is it possible to live more and more through VOM? << It is possible to integrate VoM into your life more and more, but living requires thinking, feeling and doing in addition to perceiving. >> I tend to get a mild pressure between my eyes (third eye area) during the VOM, after the exercise it dissapears and it feels the opposite, light and clear, but it is not as bad as it used to be. Could this be an imbalance of some sort? << It is more likely that you are furrowing your brow during heavy concentration. >> I was slightly suprised but as alcohol is firey it may partially explain why it affected visuisation? << The primary reason is that alcohol defeats your inhibitions. It is amazing how much we tell ourselves we cannot do! Alcohol over-rides that internal programming. >> What is the Will in your personal experience Rawn? (Bardon says it's an essential aspect of the spirit..mmm) << It is an aspect of the Life Force itself, regardless of what level of "will" you speak of. Even within VoM there is will -- the will to continue perceiving, to keep BEing. I recommend that you spend some time in deep meditation on this subject. :) >> My experience of no-mind has cleared out my head, and let me see things from a centred point of view, but in your opinion are the steps 1 and 2 of level 1 just as important as vom? (I think I know what you will say!) << Yes, absolutely!!! My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 10 Nov 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe