Dear Pat, >> I've studied a little William Misteles advises for beginners or those who wish to go the hermetic path of Bardon. Right from the beginning, mastering the first steps (before moving on to higher steps), there is to achieve gradually: 1. The mental clarity of an advanced Zen master. 2. The concentration and artistic imagination of Stephen Spielberg. 3. The ability to understand personal problems from a universal perspective as one or two Ph.D.s in transpersonal psychology might impart. 4. The level of vitality and chi possessed by a sixth don aikido sensei or a fourth generation tai chi master. 5. The qualities of a successful individual in any profession (endurance, hard-work and love your work ..) << These are not so much things you must strive to achieve as they are the consequences of mastering the exercises. Also, Mr. Mistele seems to be exaggerating a bit. :) I suggest that you not worry about it and just do the exercises and see for yourself the ways in which *you* change and grow. >> An important question here, arises: Are the hermetic standarts of requirements and concerning mastered progress rather internal or external, rather inward or outward? << First and foremost these standards are internal but all internal change has external consequence. Bardon is quite clear throughout IIH as to what is required in order to consider an exercise "mastered". >> The other, even more challenging thing Mistele points out for Bardon beginners, is to somehow find (not the perfection of course) but having a deep commitment and identification with the highest light of Divine Providence and finding within the sources of the divine qualities like absolute faith/commitment (fire), all embracing love (water), sense of wonder for life and detachment from personal problems (air) and silence and hard-working endurance (earth) - to get free access to all those sources even in some way * before * beginning with the first Bardons exercises. ("I suggest, then, at the very beginning of practicing with Bardon that the student take stock of what his own individual sense of the sacred and of transcendence is." W.M.) << I think you have misunderstood what Mr. Mistele was saying. All he is saying is that you should spend some time meditating about these qualities and about how you personally manifest them in your life. It's not about "free access" to them but rather, about developing them within yourself. >> It's one thing to have high ideals and pursuing perfection, step by step. << *That* is what is *required* and really what the process of "initiation" is. >> Another thing is to fully have access to those sources manifesting and living them in daily life right away. << :) I don't believe this was what Mr. Mistele was suggesting. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 10 Dec 2004 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe