Dear 'setiamon', >> AH i think i'v had this happen spontaniously a few times,When i was doing a energy routine bringing energy up my legs suddenly it went all black except for the moving energy up my leg which i could do perfectly,but the thing is my mind reacts and says "WTF" and i pop out of that state,does practice just make perfect or is there some trick to sustaining this? << Well, if it happens again, you will recognize what is happening and your WTF reaction would naturally be less. However, the real "trick" is to be in control of your emotional reactions to such a degree that they do not interfere with your mental focus. >> As for projecting the mental image outward should this be directed or just manifest where it will? << It should at all times be under your control and appear where *you* determine it should appear. >> as for what i mean by remembering i mean recalling it in my mind like creating a unbroken loop of the visualization like a apple not necessary pulling it out from any select memory but from just what my mind thinks a apple should look like,What i mean to ask is the visualization supposed to be maintained external to the initatial recalling by just sustained will or is sustaining the flow that originaly created the visualization the correct practice << I think you are being overly analytical about this. In essence, there is no difference between the two pseudo-options you've presented here. >> And for a final question am i correct to assume that the strength of these facultys is based upon the flow of energy threw the astral-phsyical matrix(nadi's?) << No, the strength depends upon your mental focus and concentration. >> because when i practice i find i feel passages opening up and movements of energy,a cleansing and lightening sensation, i also find if i sustain the excercise past a point the excercise becomes exceedingly more diffacult untill unsustainable and i have to return back to earth so to speak, << If you are *noticing* the energetics of your physical body whilst doing these mental exercises then your focus is not exclusively upon the *mental* exercises. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 21 Jan 2005 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe