Dear setiamon, >> I know i keep going back to the very first step but for some reason it just doesn't work like the book and discussions suggest,at least not for me. << As Bardon says quite often, development is individual for each person. So if he says that an exercise is suppose to be difficult, and for some reason it's not for you, then you might have already developed that ability. On the other hand, it could also be an indication that one is doing the exercise incorrectly. >> When i go into relaxed observer conciousness all thought stops within a few seconds,it becomes no different then the vacancy excercise I spent about 7 hours trying to get into a state where my mind would wander on aimlessly but simply put it only wanders when i have no conciousness or objectivity,as soon as i center myself in a observer conciousness its like the facet is turned off at most a few drops of commentary originate in my mind to which the inner observer conciousness mimics and vibrates in synchronicity with it till it stops. << To quote Bardon: "But from one exercise to the next, he will state that thoughts come up less chaotic, moderating little by little, until at last only a few thoughts emerge in his consciousness, arriving, as it were, from a far distance." Now, I know that you are saying that your mind doesn't seem to want to wander, but that's not really a bad thing. At the same time, you want to be sure that your thought isn't to observe your thoughts. Some people use an analogy of watching a movie to describe the process of the exercise. The only problem is, you don't want to involve yourself in the movie, which is what usually happens. Make sure that you are not concentrating so hard on observing your thoughts, that the idea of observation becomes your thought. Does that make sense? If not, I think I can clarify that a bit. I've found that depending on how busy my day is, the thoughts that arise in my mind may be few or many. Especially if there is an important event coming up, or there is something that is really bothering me. I'd suggest moving on to the next exercise and seeing how that goes. Even take a few days off from the control exercise. It's called an exercise in that it forces you to exert effort to make an improvement. Just like with any exercise, our bodies adjust to the routine. So, when doing physical exercise, it is sometimes necessary to "shock" the body into growth and out of the rut. You would usually do this by increasing the exercise so that you over-work the muscles to stimulate growth. However, you can also take a break and let the muscles rest and relax a bit, and then go at it as before. It's just a suggestion, I found it more helpful with the mental exercises of Step II. If you're familiar with TMO any, it's like a miniaturized version of looking down at your Malkuth Self from your Tiphareth Self. It's that same type of detachment. If you're not familiar with TMO, then just ignore that last comment. ;) Hope that helps! Sof tov, Hakol tov --Alan