Dear Peter and Jeni, As your ruthless moderator, I would appreciate it if you would help me bring this thread back to its relevance to the Bardon work. :) I think this thread has the potential at least, to stray into a discussion of just Yang and Yin and the Chinese cosmology, and while that IS a worthwhile discussion, it can *also* be directly related to Hermetic philosophy via the Electric and Magnetic Fluids, and via Kabbalah. To that end: >> The Dao, is something that is incomprehensible. If it is named, then that is not it. It is sometimes considered within Daoist cosmology to be the "creative spark" that came before the state of wuji, chaos, the undiferentiated ultimate, and continues to help sustain existence as a web of interconnectivity between all things. In this respect, the Dao, if represented upon the tree of life, would be that which came before kether in one form, and the whole of the tree, the paths and gates in particulate, in another form. Though, in trying to pin something down in this manner one excludes numerous other interpritations at the very same time. << The danger in basing comparisons upon symbolic representations is that you're dealing with two-dimensional, distilled representations of multi-dimensional philosophical constructs. The symbols invariably, lead to misconceptions since they do not encompass all the dimensions they seek to represent. With the Tree of Life image in particular, it is easy to think of it as representing just one dimension, Kether at the top and Malkuth at the bottom, all in one plane of existence. This is the major failing of the so called "Composite Tree" in which all four Worlds are represented upon a single Tree. Based upon the diagram you suggested and taking into consideration your description above, I'd like to offer a different way of looking at the relationship between this and Kabbalah. The Dao is not the Ayin (that which "precedes" Kether). Instead, it IS Kether. Kether encompasses ALL that has being (i.e., existence). It "cannot be named" for the simple reason that it is non-sequential, infinite and eternal and any "name" is a finite thing that can encompass only a finite part of the Infinite. It is "incomprehensible" in that the finite human mind cannot encompass the whole of it -- this requires an infinite, non-sequential level of awareness that has been raised to be *more than human*. Kether/Dao presents two non-sequential faces to the sequential realm: Chokmah and Binah. This is the realm of Wujii (Chaos = the way non-sequential potentia appears from the perspective of a sequentialized consciousness). Within Chokmah the non-sequential potentia of Yang and Yin come into existence. Within Binah, these two-as-one propagate the infinite, non-sequential potentia. All of this exists within the eternal (Supernal) realm of Atzilut and Briah. Briah gives birth to sequential existence (Yetzirah) and this is Taiji Du *AND* Qi. On the "Composite Tree", Yetzirah is represented by the Sephirot Gedulah through Yesod. The Qi is a product of the lower Yetziratic trinity of Netzach-Hod-Yesod, resulting in the Wuxing, the basis of Assiah/Malkuth. The Electric and Magnetic Fluids exist in a unified state within the non-sequential eternal realm, *as potential*. It's not until the descent into Yetziratic sequence that these potentials manifest *as polarized forces*. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 03 Jan 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis