Dear Chenxsi, >> When i do the emptiness of mind exercise few thoughts do intrude now and then, but they do not distract me, in the sense that intruding thoughts will be excluded easily and quickly. However, does true emptiness means that no thoughts should even come to mind in the first place? A full 10 minutes without even having to manage/exclude distractions? << *Ten minutes of what you describe is sufficient for Step One.* :) However, the EOM *will* deepen with continued practice until eventually no thoughts intrude whatsoever and your consciousness is not split between management duties and complete emptiness. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 26 Feb 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis