I totally agree with I don't have much experience as you in occultism and the way you are describing the performing of the exercises is the same as I experience. sure there is some times a great awareness that is very pleasant, but no great mystic enthousiasm. I just work continously... Sincere Regards, Woce --- chenxsi <chenxsi@...> a écrit : --------------------------------- Heh...sometimes i just wonder how you people can experience all sorts of wonderful things while doing the exercises...up till now i still do not understand how one can perceive the essential meaning whilst in the VOM. When i have one-pointedness, i let the thoughts pour like hot oil flowing rapidly into my mind. I simply relax and receive this flow of thoughts. However, when i get into emptiness, its really quite empty, not full of essential meaning. Absolue nothingness, no- thinking. When i return to my point of focus, there is definately new thoughts and understanding, but i think such thoughts can come even if i did not enter VOM in the first place. By the way does one need to have any experience in occultism before practising IIH? Frankly most of the time i do not understand what everyone is talking about (kabbalah?? Shielding??? Evocation?!??). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BardonPraxis-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com