Dear TMN, >> I am surprised that you say there is nothing that he can do to effect them. << When a person acts in anger there is nothing they can do that will incite change in another person. The only thing anger incites is anger. This is why I recommended that he focus inward and change his own state of mind. >> Is not part of the initiates path to generate love not only in himself but in others is this not part not the will of the Divine providence That our leader Franz Bardon tells us of. I did he not have to face such things and use is Initiate abilites in order to change others for self preservation. << When a person manifests love within themselves, it incites love in others and in that sense, it opens others to positive change, but even so, this is not "changing another". A person changes because *they* decide to change, not because another person makes them change. A magician can certainly promote change in others and create situations in which change is favorable, but unless the other person in some way agrees (consciously or unconsciously) to change, the magician cannot "change them". We do not change the world by changing the world -- we change the world by changing our own selves. A self-realized person who expresses their core self fully and without reservation, changes the world by their mere existence. Such a person automatically creates situations in which others can change themselves. My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 23 Apr 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe