Dear Zach, Throughout IIH and KTQ, Bardon repeatedly said to NOT induce any irregularities to the normal breathing rhythm and rate when performing these exercises. The reason being that many of the physical effects you described here can be achieved by merely slowing the breath to, as you say, one or two cycles per minute, and have nothing to do with an accumulation of the VE, or with pore breathing, per se. This makes it very hard for the student to differentiate between the sensations produced by a prolonged slowing of the breath, verses the natural effects of pore-breathing an accumulation of the VE. My question to you is two-fold: a) can you achieve an accumulation of the VE through pore breathing *without* altering your normal breathing speed; and b) does this produce the same physical sensations? My best to you, :) Rawn Clark 01 Jul 2003 rawnclark@... rawn@... http://www.ABardonCompanion.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BardonPraxis http://E.webring.com/hub?ring=arionthebardonwe