Dear Rawn, In other words, that's a fancy way of saying that you learned this magic from a spirit, most likely of the Saturn zone. Now, of course, I'm sure you'll respond to that comment with your cheshire cat grin, saying something to the effect of, "You will know him soon enough and when you know, you will not speak his name either." Right? :) So, another question: how has the magic of TMO developed and changed from the time you first learnt it til the present moment? Love and Live well, Peter Reist